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Again, re-posting this from another forum ... please excuse the repetition for those who may participate in both.

Speaking of dreams, one revealed to me last night that the separate self is really just the culturally conditioned self — i.e. there is no sense of separation, except that conditioning makes it so.

So, initially at least, the non-dual realization would simply be seeing through the ‘dream’ of one’s conditioning — the lifting of the proverbial veil — revealing the essence of the unconditioned Self that was of course always there. And since the conditioning is very difficult, stubborn, and almost impossible to shake completely (perhaps even genetically programmed to some extent), the apparent separate self carries on regardless, doing its thing, while the Original Self starts naturally ‘living’ or be-ing, no longer buying into the program, so to speak, free to explore its unconditional, limitless, creative potential … hence liberation.

And so the separate self vs. no-self dilemma would be resolveded. Post-realization, one is paradoxically and simultaneously embodied as both, without contradiction. The so-called problem only arises when one identifies or forms an attachment with one, to the exclusion of the other — which of course is just more separation.

end of this story … for now.

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This metaphor of dreaming is

This metaphor of dreaming is always very eloquent also to me, showing how the relationship self/Self might work.

And when we dream it is a dream in the dream so there isn`t any waking state except when and if we are able to unveil the fiction.
The conditioning I believe is totally programmed, our body-mind organism is functioning in this way,such is the script of the "dream-play".
The realization, being by grace or whatever, is also in the dream-script.

It is really fascinating to watch and contemplate this dream-play.It is possible to do that because the Self is both palying all the roles and writing and rewriting the manuscript.
So as you say, the dilemma solved. Or - there has actually never been a dilemma, since there has always been and still is only One Self doing the whole job.

What a relief!

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If all of our cognitions, as

If all of our cognitions, as dream figures with The Dream, are dream-scripted, Anna...

then can there be such a thing as free will within The Dream?

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The first part of your

The first part of your question Peter I don`t quite get it.
You mean:us being within the Dream, recognizing ourselves as dream figures...?

The second part is very clear and interesting.

If the Dreammaker is taking care of the whole show, then we can live our life carelessly, trusting that all that happens is in its right place.

Now we can ask: Whose can this free will be?

When we dream at night, who is acting in the dream? Have all these figures free will?

In the same way I immagine myself,acting according to the Dream-script, which is being written every moment for me as for everyone and everything else in the Dream.

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It's a riddle ...

As soon as one sees it is a 'dream' it becomes 'real' ... as long as one believes it is 'real' it remains a 'dream.'

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Yes, right so. I can

Yes, right so.

I can experience it by myself. When the feeling of this dream arises, everything gets very alive in a mysterious way.
And when I am lost in the mind believing that what I think or experience is real, then things get drowsy.

It`s like turned upsidedown and the mind cannot solve the riddle.

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