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Self Confidence: 24 * 7
Dear friend ……….
Wouldn’t it be great if “one” had unshakable, un -surmountable self confidence? From what we call and understand as ..wealth , to career , from taking care of ones family and to what we call as enlightenment itself… all the highs and lows in Life ……….all would be like white clouds around a High Mountain!
In Ancient Times the goddess of wealth had 8 Forms. 1 form for fertility , one form for wealth , one for health, one form for knowledge etc . Once a King had to choose only one form. All the other forms of the Goddess would leave, leaving behind only those aspects of the form that he chooses. And do you know what the king choose ?
After he made the choice all the other forms/aspects of the Goddess , it is said, came running back to him!
He choose the form for Courage!
Self Confidence is the understanding or realisation that all craving and stress to be this and that( in the times that have gone by, or in the present or in the times to come) are empty / have no meaning /or in other words have no inner essence.
Including the carving to be “the High Mountain”!
That much is all that there is to “a” realisation
That much is all that could be to “an” enlightenment….
Did you see Did you see….?
Death and sorrow came charging against the “one” and rammed into him…
Then their horns broke and shit flew out of their behind…
Wishes for a very, very ,very Self Confident New Year 2011.
Stephen :…His agenda is to win an argument with me and re-enforce his sense of himself as a part time guru. So he throws out his little truisms. Fine. What I don't like about this, is that in his attempt to win an argument. He is willing to twist his words and slyly manipulate truth to his own ends.
Response: dear stephen, I do not think that an argument is taking place.
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Stephen: I'm just pointing out the truth of the interaction. Should I be proven wrong I will jump for joy that I have moved closer to the truth.
Response>> I refuse to see You, Dear Stephen, as being away from truth even now.
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Stephen> He's snide and attempting to prove himself as the greater person in this by referring to me as "dear stephen".
Response>> I am only happy in being able to interact with you .
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Stephen> What he doesn't seem to notice is that I am pointing towards the source of all craving. The thought of self.
Response>> it is ridiculous asking whether one should be free of stress regarding others or only regarding oneself……
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Stephen >>.Let's say I'm a slave to craving. Does that make any difference to what has been talked of here?
Response>… the "difference" is not meant for what has been talked here.
------------------------------------------------------------Stephen >>>Let's consider that I am completely tied to this concept of no self and crave it with a blazing intensity. Is anything I've pointed out here untrue?
Response>> a persistent stress and sufferring that "I have been untrue" or a persistent feeling of "good" for being true...both are only craving to be this and that or craving not to be this and that which is empty,meaningless and has no inner essence.
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Stephen >>Am I the one fighting a personal war to re-enforce my notion of self? You be the judge.
Respone>> worrying/craving as to .... what others think of us is a sign of lack of self confidence and is empty and with no inner essence.
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Stephen>>the most amazing thing in all of this is that you talk about craving for self and no self. Yet you obviously have a huge craving for "self confidence" You keep hammering home your point, with a craving to prove yourself.Tell me honestly can you not see the cowardice inherent in your every word?Can you not see how you are doing the one thing you preach so angrily against? Are you really so blind to the reality of what you have shown yourself to be here that you continue to live your fantasy at the detriment of truth?
Response>> Self Confidence is understanding that all craving for being this and that or not being this and that (past ,present ,future) is empty, meaningless and has no inner essence.
Regards.
This is the most useless thread I have ever read. OP you are an idiot.Your groupie is pathetic also. There is no you. How can there be self confidence?
Hi, this is your crusade by using hard "words" accusatory to provoke purely to make your point. Saying others are crap or idiot...mate that is so easy to use strong grammars. By doing so it comes about like a crusade.
Then what is your desire to do so?
Thank you amati, I wish you a very Self confident 2011 too.
I wonder if self confidence is the same as to have courage or to have less fear.
Perhaps one can have courage in spite of feeling fear.
It could also be that one can have the courage to face his own fear, even when fear is constantly arising.
The other day I heard a radio program about brain science and about a woman without her amigdala. I don`t know what happened to her since I missed part of that program. I suppose it was through a surgical operation.
Well, she got completely rid of fear. She didn`t know what fear meant anymore.
to my dear sister anna and stephen:
Self Confidence is understanding and realising that all craving for becoming this and that is empty or has no inner essence.
Is there a self?, is there not a self? etc are infact craving to be this and that including the craving for non-being.
These are the Real USELESS THOUGHTs.
seeing clearly that these are USELESS is all
that there is to a realisation.
that there is to an enlightenment.....
LOOK LOOK LOOK deep into the graveyard.....
the skull of the enlightened just by the skull of the rapist
only yesterday I burnt my grandmother to ashes..
while we put her on the funeral pyre, her robes were ripped off-- by the wind and the effort..her genitals bared...
the graveyard keeper hurriedly put some bushes over them as there were people watching....
yes there were people watching ...LOOK LOOK LOOK
I have been watching it for a million years and yet....
I am stuck on....ohh there "is" a self....ohh there "is no" self....where and when is my enlightenment..? etc etc etc!
when can a person seek or realise or claim ...whether "he is" or "he is not?"
He can only do so when there is a craving for being this and that which includes the craving for non-being.
The seeker might think he is seeking the answer for the right reasons and not due to craving. However unless there is a craving for being this and that ,these questions and their answers cannot be harboured, nurtured and maintained..
realising it to be so is a realisation.
realising it to be so could be "an" enlightenment.
Once again wishes for a very very very self confident new year 2011 dear anna and stephen!
Your mistake is in thinking I'm stuck. I choose to be here. So that I can do some good.
our mystic psychobabble hides nothing. You're a weak man trying to prove yourself.
I'm not interested
I am a weak weak weak weak weak man trying to prove myself....??
Wow! Really? please tell me that it is so!
wow, any way ...Thanks for telling me mate! ....is life really so goooooooood and exciting?
once again a very very very self confident new year 2011, stephen!
look at what your doing here. Your defending ego. Don't defend it, it's not real just an illusion. Try not defending it, turn and take a look at it. Is there any substance to it?
You see that? You're lashing out. You can end that forever you know. There is some very small unchecked thought hiding in your mind that you can expel and put an end to the lunacy of self interest.
I'm providing a simple reality check for your own benefit. There is no you, it is verifiable in your experience. Are you willing to take a look at your self, at your experience of reality and verify if what I've said is true or false.
Thats all any of this seeking is about. The truth.
Dear Stephen…..
1. Self confidence is understanding clearly that the craving to “be” this and that or the craving “not to be this and that” etc is empty and has no essence.
Upon such understanding the conclusions “that there is a self” or “that there is no self” are seen to be useless, empty and meaningless on one hand. And on the other hand, Dear Stephen, it is seen, that these conclusions are a result of craving to be this and that , which is the root of all (further) stress and what we call as sufferring.
Now regarding your questions:
1. Is there any substance to the ego?
Without having a craving for the ego to have some substance OR without having a craving for the Ego NOT to have any substance……that question itself wouldn’t appear in the first place in the mind/heart of the seeker.
When it is seen to be so ,clearly by the Seeker , dear Stepehen , the answers such as “there is a self” “there is no self” would also be seen to be empty and with no inner essence or putting it in your own words “useless”.
2. Dear Stephen do you know what is the “lunacy of Self Interest”?
It is simply the craving to be this and that or the craving Not to be this and that. When such a craving is seen to be empty and useless it is also VERY EASILY seen that “expelling the small unchecked thought for putting an end to Self Lunacy“is also simply the craving to be this and that or the craving not to be this and that!and it is empty in its entirety....
3. Seeking about Truth……
Dear Stephen ., what is Truth….?
A question “what is truth” appears to be a very , very intelligent question and thus the seeking for it accordingly ,very noble.
When seen in terms of whether it is intelligent or not , it clearly is seen to be “foolish” and quite useless. Why?
Because when the seeker questions “What is Truth” he is implying to himself/herself that he/or she is not the truth( that he /she is false and empty) …such is the lack of self confidence and such is the root of all stress and suffering. This is on one plane….
However , in reality questioning “what is Truth” is a result of craving for the Truth to be this and that or NOT to be this and that. Unless there is such a craving in the first place there would be no such question.
Once again a very very Self Confident new year 2011, dear stephen.
""1. Self confidence is understanding clearly that the craving to “be” this and that or the craving “not to be this and that” etc is empty and has no essence.
Upon such understanding the conclusions “that there is a self” or “that there is no self” are seen to be useless, empty and meaningless on one hand. And on the other hand, Dear Stephen, it is seen, that these conclusions are a result of craving to be this and that , which is the root of all (further) stress and what we call as sufferring.""
You seem to be stuck in some need to prove how much you know. That's great really great I hope you prove yourself to be a great and intelligent God to the many people who care.
Look at what you are doing here. You are talking about not craving to be this and that, yet you are repeatedly pontificating as though because you know these things you are special and important. Ironic that your actually doing exactly what your preaching against isn't it.
What are you trying to prove?
Furthermore you "proof" makes no sense. You simply re-assert a fact 3 times over.
""1. Is there any substance to the ego?
Without having a craving for the ego to have some substance OR without having a craving for the Ego NOT to have any substance……that question itself wouldn’t appear in the first place in the mind/heart of the seeker.""
Okay so what you are trying to say is that you simply ignore the whole thing and have not actually looked at the honest truth of what's happening.
What you are saying is that if you just ignore a thing, it doesn't exist. But there is a craving for many. There is, and especially for one as controlled by ego as yourself.
This is of course wrong. I can ignore a brick wall and it will still be there. Furthermore, your thinly veiled personal jabs simply re-iterate the fact that you are fighting hard to hold onto your ego.
Can't you see that ?
Your ego which tells you that you are a person without ego because you do not question this in the first place.
Thats your ego. You do have one. Ou are here fighting to defend it be under no illusions, you are trapped. You are so consumed by ego that your ego is actually built around the thought that you have transcended ego.
You are a liar, you're dishonest and you're perpetuating a lie. Your mystical twisting of words and self agrandisation are in evidence here.
""It is simply the craving to be this and that or the craving Not to be this and that. When such a craving is seen to be empty and useless it is also VERY EASILY seen that “expelling the small unchecked thought for putting an end to Self Lunacy“is also simply the craving to be this and that or the craving not to be this and that!and it is empty in its entirety....""
You are so full of it. Look at you going through each point trying to prove your SELF right. This is pathetic. Furthermore you seem to be attacking some illusory position you have attributed to me, as though I have made a single statement of personal belief or interest this whole time.
What is it you are trying to prove?
""Dear Stephen ., what is Truth….?
A question “what is truth” appears to be a very , very intelligent question and thus the seeking for it accordingly ,very noble.
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and now you show our true colors. What is truth... The laziest philosophical argument of all time. the get out of jail free card for those who are beyond their depth.
""When seen in terms of whether it is intelligent or not , it clearly is seen to be “foolish” and quite useless. Why?""
Well look at this
You proclaim yourself to be intelligent. Too intelligent for the truth. My my grandma what a lovely Ego you have. All the better to eat up your entire existence with.
This ladies and gentlemen is where the lie of self has stepped out from behind this mans thin veil of compassion fueled by it's own self interest it has proclaimed itself, and is now poised to wage war on any who would say it has no merit in reality.
This next part will be fun.
""Because when the seeker questions “What is Truth” he is implying to himself/herself that he/or she is not the truth( that he /she is false and empty) ""
No. This is wrong. Not only is it wrong it is illogical. You are grasping at straws. Frankly I'm let down. I didn't think your ego would so easily give up it's seclusion to simply throw a nonsense illogical fallacy into the ring in order to prove itself.
You are really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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…such is the lack of self confidence and such is the root of all stress and suffering. This is on one plane….
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No your wrong again. See above for why.
""However , in reality questioning “what is Truth” is a result of craving for the Truth to be this and that or NOT to be this and that. Unless there is such a craving in the first place there would be no such question.""
No again wrong. You are actually filtering everything you said in this whole reply through self.
You see every action as an attempt to define self and so you think it better to take no action.
Selfish action exists you just do not know it because you are controlled by ego. You may have grown good at keeping that ego in check, but you still are bound to it and you walk a very fine line as we see here when it raises it's ugly head.
Look. Not all action is to define self. When you realize there is no self there is a shift to selfless action. You don't just give up action, like you claim to have done, but you do act selflessly when you see and I mean ACTUALLY REALISE there is no self, rather than clinging to it as a type of ego , you are liberated from ego.
That is the key distinction between understanding and knowing. Understanding it isn't enough you need to take an honest look at your experience of reality at every facet of reality and see if it is credible that there is no self. When that happens a very memorable shift takes place.
Your not here. Your not in this place and you know it. If you can stop lying to yourself I can help you.
Stephen :You are talking about not craving to be this and that
reply:Rather simply...that craving has no inner essence/is empty . and that..craving not to crave (or in other words craving for enlightenment/liberation/realisation etc ) is empty too. Failing to see and understand it to be so results in useless conclusions such as "ohhhh there is a self" , ohhhh there is no self etc .
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Stephen : Okay so what you are trying to say is that you simply ignore the whole thing and have not actually looked at the honest truth of what's happening.
reply: All craving ,including the one for enlightenment/realisation of what really is happenning etc is empty,meaningless and has no inner essence.
A craving for eating ice cream is empty. But eating ice cream ...mmmm.... whom Am I to say whether it is or not?,Got it dear stephen?
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stephen: You see every action as an attempt to define self and so you think it better to take no action
reply: it is humanly impossible to "see" and "diagnose" every action ....conclusively. An effort to do so yields useless conclsions such as "that there is a Self", "that there is no self". etc etc .
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stephen>>>when you see and I mean ACTUALLY REALISE there is no self, rather than clinging to it as a type of ego , you are liberated from ego.
reply: rather ,simply and only....craving to be liberated from ego or the craving to realise the self to be the truth etc is empty in its entirety.And, thus all conclusions which spring from such a craving ....that ego has no substance...or that ego is real etc etc are useless , empty and have no inner essence.
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stephen >>>>If you can stop lying to yourself I can help you.
reply>> I do not doubt your sincerety. Dear stephen receieving help is such a joy too!It is a very valuable part of Life and getting help makes life richer in many ways than one! So if you say that one day you will give me this joy ,...why not mate? However the craving to help or get helped and the craving to make life richer by doing so is empty ,meaningless and has no inner essence.
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stephen>>>You seem to be stuck in some need to prove how much you know. & My my grandma what a lovely Ego you have. All the better to eat up your entire existence with.&&&You are a liar, you're dishonest and you're perpetuating a lie. Your mystical twisting of words and self agrandisation are in evidence here.etc etc etc etc....
reply>>> Dear stephen I will reply this answer in two ways:
"One" : The answer from my heart.... & "Two" : in the backdrop of this post....
One: Look Look just by the side of the lake, two people are sitiing..... one an enlightened person and the other a lair ,thief and sinner.and yet ...the smell of jasmine by the woods is up in the air, the moon is there in the sky and in the waters for both of them to see.....Life fills both their lungs with air....and the sky lark is singing from a branch...the lillies in the waters are teasing both of em.....seeing this all the seekers hearts were awe stuck! The moment it was ,there was a loud sound an ancient demon from inside the seekers jumped out .....and burned down to ashes....that the past should have been this, the present as such and the future to be so......
All craving including the craving to be enlightened, realise that there is a self ,and what that self is.. or realise that there is no self etc etc etc is only a craving for becoming this and that which is empty , meaningless and has no inner essence.
Two : feeling persistently bad and stressful about oneself for being a Lair OR feeling persistently good and upbeat for being able to maintain truthfullneess are only craving to be this and that and are empty, have no inner essence. ON one hand such is the lack of "Self Confidence" and on the other hand such a craving only yeilds the fruits of sufferring and stress.
once again dear stpehen a very very very "Self Confident New year 2011".
Amati: Rather simply...that craving has no inner essence/is empty . and that..craving not to crave (or in other words craving for enlightenment/liberation/realisation etc ) is empty too. Failing to see and understand it to be so results in useless conclusions such as "ohhhh there is a self" , ohhhh there is no self etc .""
StepVhen: Have a look here at what he's doing. He's throwing out stock truisms about craving an what not. That's fine, it may not be of any use to anyone but that is not his agenda here His agenda is to win an argument with me and re-enforce his sense of himself as a part time guru. So he throws out his little truisms. Fine.
What I don't like about this, is that in his attempt to win an argument. He is willing to twist his words and slyly manipulate truth to his own ends. He throws up his truisms and onto the end of them he adds a clause that more or less says, because I don't understand his truisms I am clinging to self, using no-self as a type of self.
What he is saying isn't so important, because the content of his argument is crafted for the sole purpose of winning this little argument he sees happening in his own head. In fact he is not looking to highlight the truth here. Instead his primary objective is winning this argument. However. I am not arguing. I'm just pointing out the truth of the interaction. Should I be proven wrong I will jump for joy that I have moved closer to the truth.
What would cause that in a person? Why would they abandon truth for self preservation?
The lie of self. They believe they are a self. He may come here and talk about mystical ideas and what not, but actions truly speak louder than words and Amati's actions here have all been about self preservation. Proving himself.
Amati: All craving ,including the one for enlightenment/realisation of what really is happenning etc is empty,meaningless and has no inner essence.
A craving for eating ice cream is empty. But eating ice cream ...mmmm.... whom Am I to say whether it is or not?,Got it dear stephen?
StepVheN: This is good. This is where we see his anger and blind belief in the fantasy he puts forward at the behest of all else for the sake of re-enforcing his self.
He's snide and attempting to prove himself as the greater person in this by referring to me as "dear stephen".
"A craving for eating ice cream is empty. But eating ice cream ...mmmm.... whom Am I to say whether it is or not?,Got it dear stephen?
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This is most interesting in that what he is trying to say is that I am indulging a craving for no-self. What he doesn't seem to notice is that I am pointing towards the source of all craving.
The thought of self.
What is blocking him from looking at this? His craving!
His craving to be right and prove himself arising from self.
Re-read his above quote it's so full of snide backhandedness.
What does a phrase like "got it dear stephen?" got to do with the truth? Personal attacks on my "character" have no place in this. This isn't about me.
He is doing his best to show me as someone who is a slave to "craving" which he has risen above.
Lets humour him for a moment. Let's say I'm a slave to craving. Does that make any difference to what has been talked of here?
Let's consider that I am completely tied to this concept of no self and crave it with a blazing intensity. Is anything I've pointed out here untrue?
Am I the one fighting a personal war to re-enforce my notion of self? You be the judge.
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stephen: You see every action as an attempt to define self and so you think it better to take no action
Amati: it is humanly impossible to "see" and "diagnose" every action ....conclusively. An effort to do so yields useless conclsions such as "that there is a Self", "that there is no self". etc etc .
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StepVheN: This is where Amati reveals himself fully. He is no longer engaging. He instead is completely going off topic, and worse he is lying.
He's twisting language and saying that I said it's possible to see and diagnose every action conclusively and as a result of my attempts to do so i have reached conclusions of self and no self.
Amati this is weak. You are not even trying to look at the truth of this anymore. Now you are just making things up. You are in survival mode trying to protect your sense of self.
It is transparent. Anyone can see what you are really doing here. This is childish and immature.
Firstly trying to diagnose ever thought and action is ridiculous. No one is talking about that here. Stop making things up.
Secondly. How do you make out that these things lead to concepts of self and no self?
They don't. You just made that up.
Amati: rather ,simply and only....craving to be liberated from ego or the craving to realise the self to be the truth etc is empty in its entirety.And, thus all conclusions which spring from such a craving ....that ego has no substance...or that ego is real etc etc are useless , empty and have no inner essence.
StepVheN: Amati.You are using this emptiness as an excuse to not look at the truth and to perpetuate your self interest. The proof is this very thread.
Amati:reply>> I do not doubt your sincerety. Dear stephen receieving help is such a joy too!It is a very valuable part of Life and getting help makes life richer in many ways than one! So if you say that one day you will give me this joy ,...why not mate? However the craving to help or get helped and the craving to make life richer by doing so is empty ,meaningless and has no inner essence.
StepVheN: Again. You obviously are fighting hard to maintain your belief and as a result your self. You even go as far as to try and come off as a super intelligent guru type talking down to me as though you were a god. You wreak of immaturity . You are trapped in self like a lost little child. This is in fact pathetic.
Amati:One: Look Look just by the side of the lake, two people are sitiing..... one an enlightened person and the other a lair ,thief and sinner.and yet ...the smell of jasmine by the woods is up in the air, the moon is there in the sky and in the waters for both of them to see.....Life fills both their lungs with air....and the sky lark is singing from a branch...the lillies in the waters are teasing both of em.....seeing this all the seekers hearts were awe stuck! The moment it was ,there was a loud sound an ancient demon from inside the seekers jumped out .....and burned down to ashes....that the past should have been this, the present as such and the future to be so......
All craving including the craving to be enlightened, realise that there is a self ,and what that self is.. or realise that there is no self etc etc etc is only a craving for becoming this and that which is empty , meaningless and has no inner essence.
StepVhen: You are so full of it. Even as you talk of craving your own craving to seem intelligent. To set yourself up as an enlightened man and I a liar your complete lack of engagement simply because you believe you have found the truth. It's disgusting. Can you not see your own craving? Can you not see your own cowardice and lack of engagement? You are deluded. You seem to be happy in your belief and will fight anyone to prove yourself. Sadly, if you would only drop all your posturing you may be able to engage properly. Why are you here? Is it to just make your sense of self stronger? When we look at your actions that all I see. Pretentious posturing attempting to squash reality with belief.
Amati:
Two : feeling persistently bad and stressful about oneself for being a Lair OR feeling persistently good and upbeat for being able to maintain truthfullneess are only craving to be this and that and are empty, have no inner essence. ON one hand such is the lack of "Self Confidence" and on the other hand such a craving only yeilds the fruits of sufferring and stress.
once again dear stpehen a very very very "Self Confident New year 2011".
StepVheN: Amati. Why are you persisting in this? "very very very Self Confident New year" wow you really told me.
the most amazing thing in all of this is that you talk about craving for self and no self. Yet you obviously have a huge craving for "self confidence" You keep hammering home your point, with a craving to prove yourself.
Tell me honestly can you not see the cowardice inherent in your every word?
Can you not see how you are doing the one thing you preach so angrily against? Are you really so blind to the reality of what you have shown yourself to be here that you continue to live your fantasy at the detriment of truth?
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