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Self inquiry - who needs it?
Self inquiry has no value after Realization. Thus, self inquiry has no value within spiritual sadhana. The Realized have no need for self inquiry, yet, the un-Realized just have to, in Perfect Faith, understand (radically) there is Only One. Self inquiry (who Am I? and all inquiries like this - or any inquiry that questions Realization) seems to not fit anywhere in Any Spiritual practice/sadhana. The moment a person begins 'self inquiry' is the moment the body/mind abandons Realization for uncertainty.
Regarding the use of the word 'Faith' refers to Direct Realization of Self/God (whatever). Faith Is direct Realization, beyond the appearance of time/space. Faith Is the Knowledge of Reality without all the baggage. I know this is a touchy subject, but I figured it would make a nice conversation. Have fun -
and 'angryidiot' please take time to share that same empathy you have for the starving with others on this forum; being rude, inconsiderate, and attempting to use condescending language to draw a response from someone is not helpful.
S.B.
Why is anything happening? Why doesn't everyone just already know God? Why are there many people living a lie, why are they living a false relationship with everyone, the universe and Reality overall? What is faith without a process of Realization? The~Only is beyond even Faith, but the body/mind needs that sustenance to survive the impact of the death of ego.
Kundalini rising is something that becomes stable and free, it is only a part of a whole 'system' of esoteric consciousness. The kundalini rising is a small part of the overall process of whole bodily realization. The ascension of the kundalini signifies a progression in bodily realization, it is evidence, but the Heart is the source of all bodily evidence of God Realization. The whole anatomy is realized with the fundamental Realization of Reality, As It Is, and that IS a Process - no body can Live wholly and completely through God without the total of the esoteric anatomy (spiritual cross) responding to God Only. The anatomy is not a function of ego, although ego likes to think so. This is where people lose it, and they miss the understanding that the body requires the process of whole bodily awakening via the Eternal everlasting Reality, or all one is living is a self created delusion, a tower of babylon in their heads. God Realization is more than simple self realization, God Realization requires the whole body/mind submit and be assimilated unto the Eternal~Only only. Taste the Fire of Communion, and understand the body passes through a process of that Communion functioning freely in the absence of ego; an the ego appears like a ball of rubber-bands, all the rubber-bands were only wrapped around other rubber-bands without a real (substantial) core to support it. There are many little deaths during the process.
Faith is equal with being fearless. The body/mind cannot transcend consciously the egoic/contracting (self created identity - rubber~band ball of self assertion) quality of consciousness without Faith, without being fearless. Death resides in the state of doubt and fear, death is a passing experience. True Realization is THE perpetual state of Reality that Awakens stably and with greater intensity supported by the progressive bodily turning to sacrifice all into the Divine Presence. That process is shunned by many people, they think all is done, 'there is self/no-self and I am that - or whatever' - ya know the simple realization, beyond any explanation of reality, and there is nothing left - as if the body/mind is not Literally Transfigured by that Realization (instantly and progressively); as if there is no process. And, 'self inquiry' has nothing to do with any of this, unless a person is lost in that mode.
S.B.
Again, a lot to digest there. A lot for my Heart to ponder.
Admittedly, you're getting a bit too 'deep' for me to follow -- that's way in over my head!
All that deconstructionism is ok, just as long as one doesn't get all dogmatic about it, proclaiming the ultimate 'Truth'-- you know, that Taliban kind of 'Truth,' that "my way, or the highway to eternal damnation" kind of 'Truth' -- like some ego-tripping control freak.
For now, I'm content playing in the shallow end of the pool, possibly because, like my fiendish friend Mr. angryidiot keeps telling everyone who will listen (hopefully not too many, lest his head becomes even more intoxicated), I'm just a cowardly baby. I guess I still need a healthy dose of that so-called "fearless faith." But then again, as a wise and realized guy once said: "Lest one becomes like a little child again, one cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven." So if it is that kind of childlike innocent faith and fearlessness you're talking about, maybe I already have it, but just haven't clued into IT yet. Sounds a bit like realizing the Tao to me.
As far as I am able to follow, what you're talking about is a kind of natural, spiritual evolutionary process -- much like its counterpart in the material world of stardust, etc -- that is inherently pre-progamed into Life itself, just waiting for the stage-specific signal to unfold, and which 'We' have absolutely no control over whatsoever -- except insofar as we like to 'believe' we do (for example: babies don't just suddenly go from flopping around on the floor, to leaping to their feet and walking; usually -- though there may be a few genetic-mutants who break the rules -- they have to learn how to crawl first). I can buy into that. My heart tells me that that rings true. I don't believe that there is some definitive, final Realization that precludes evolution. Evolution is a never-ending fact of life -- spiritual, physical, psychological, emotional, or whatever. And I don't need a brainy scientist to prove it to me. It's like Duh! And on the cyclical evolutionary merry-go-round of the cosmos, we can indeed have the illusion that we are somehow steering this sucker. Like "look at me, I'm steering IT to the right, and so therefore I must be doing something 'right," when actually, the merry-go-round just happens to be turning clockwise. Then again, may be we all just need to get off the merry-go-round -- if that's even possible. Who knows, maybe we just land on an even bigger invisible merry-go-round. Out of the frying pan, into the fire, as they say.
But to get back to fearless faith. As I've said before: these days I just go with my heart. If it 'moves' me, if it 'speaks' to me, then I obey, without questions or judgments about right or wrong paths, good or bad behaviors, real or illusory actions, etc. If not, I just sit on my ass and wait until it's ready, without any guilt whatsoever. Sorry, if that offends any dogma-bound 'doers/seekers' out there. But I and the Tao couldn't care less.
Once again, thanks for your insights.
siddha ..or siddh...or siddham....means "ready".
That siddha or sidh is a "special power" or "realized" is a corrpution of the true meaning, done in India itself, in times gone by..(why complain if it is being done now some where else?)
Buddha means one whose intellect/heart has ended and won over all sufferring.
siddha buddha is a splendidly terrific name....unlike mine.
it would mean one who is "ready" with a "light" for everyone or anyone in need of such a "light"....
its a terrific terrific name one must admit!
Now that all the pleasantries are over with...
1.>>>>>>>>>and 'angryidiot' please take time to share that same empathy you have for the starving with others on this forum; being rude, inconsiderate, and attempting to use condescending language to draw a response from someone is not helpful.
you dont need to say please. However, You , me and others on this forum are not as underprivileged as the "starving"..and hence do not deserve your "same empathy".the word empathy was invented after people found out "kindness" was a lie.
stop being such a baby and complaining on "how" I say it.
"what" I say is more important and it shall either stand or fall on its own accord.You though do have the freedom privided also have the requisite courage to try make it fall or stand as you seem fitting.
2.>>>>>>The Realized have no need for self inquiry, yet, the un-Realized just have to, in Perfect Faith, understand (radically) there is Only One...
no need of any such faith to understand "there is only one".
More times than not , when a person says "me" or "I" where does he points to?
not to his head, nor to his feet , nor bottom but bang in the middle of the chest...
some times he puts his finger there and says" it was me who did it....etc etc " sometimes he puts his entire palm on it and says " I felt so happy...I was cared...I love you a lot etc etc and so on.
because every human instinctively knows that is where the "presence" is.
every person knows that he/she is , because that "feeling" of "he is" originates from there. It is very very very easy to catch ..this presence...the famous ..."I AM"..
all he/she needs to do..is put that hand there and say "I AM" in an instant that sensation of "I AM " the presence is felt..as easy like feeling the pulse on the wrist.
before feeling a pulse one knows that it throbs,
before one feels this I AM it would be helpful if one knows that I AM is felt as the root of "you", what ever you think you are, it is felt as your root, I AM I AM....
there is no need to make such a big deal about it, this feeling of one presence..
After one gets to this "I AM" he can stay there , enjoy this oneness and what not.
I AM can be very addictive. I will not say, spoon feed more.
The entire thing though, if lucky after months and if not so lucky after years, ends in the seeker realising..
I AM(one presence) is a fear of dying...DEATH
and I AM NOT(noself etc etc) is a fear of living..LIFE.
all fear for all states of being are abandones and the seeekr is liberated...
only this far ...no further spoon feeeding...
no where has any complicated "direct --realizations beyond time /space etc etc etc " , knowledge of reality without nay baggage etc etc " has a say.
that "light" must be everyones.
Fear is for the Faithless. Your idea of fear can be replaced with the word faith. Faith is for the Fearless. >]
S.B.
hey you been to a gathering when a person dies? some people, who are simple and not philosophical like you and me how do they cosnsole a person the realtive"???...
dont cry, what has happenned has happenned, what use in crying? they say....
what tremedrous light , for the one whoo can catch it, with honesty and courage?
this is simple, direct, everyones....all other varieteies are built on this...
dont cry , he will go to heaven, dont cry soul has no death, dont cry everything is an illusion .etc etc ..all..all are built on this...
you cant ask a person to have faith , just have faith some how , despite all the reasons have faith..so on and so on...this you cant ask a person....
but you can ask a person not to fear...straight, simple, truth...
because fearlessness has no reason...
siddha dont ask me more , and also dont get close...
I am stopping here..I dont like this kind of communicating..
Not sure why SB, but this idea of anything being a prerequisite for Realization (with a capital 'R') isn't really resonating for me. It may be just the semantics again, or maybe we're just not on the same wavelength, but for me realization seems to be something that often enough apparently happens by random accident, by Grace and Grace alone (or is Grace just a synonym for Faith, in this case?)
Not to play the neo-Advaita card, but if there is no need for self-inquiry before, during or after sadhana -- obviously because there is no 'self' to inquire into -- then why would there be any need to bring faith into the equation? If the Divine and the human are one and the same expression/ experience of Self, why is there any need for faith to come to direct realization of what it always already is? What could possibly preclude IT from happening, faith or no faith?
Seems to me that a major shock to the system (such as a near death experience, kundalini rising, etc) often works wonders, without any other intervention.
For whatever reason, a line from a poem by Blake comes to mind here: "if the sun and moon should doubt, they would immediately go out." Somehow that speaks to me.
What am I missing here? Am I just falling into that conceptual trap again?
Poet at heart