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You might say that you are breathing, and there is no verbal underpinning to that.  It is just happening.  I am not talking about that level of action.

 

Take engagement with non-duality as a good example, (teaching it, or being taught). The verbal underpinnings that are accepted by both parties are three.

  • There is a such a thing as personal awakening that can appear as an event.
  • I teacher, declare that I have it.
  • I teacher declare that you will some day have it too (or someday know that you have it).

"My life experience as a teacher and my point of view, (perhaps a view from no-point) is assuredly more complete than yours.  I know because I used to live like you."

Wow - is this a useful construction?  Let’s see what its effect is.

  • First it sets up a hierarchy.  It seems to give more honor to one human life than it does to another.  It creates the have’s and the have-not’s.
  • It creates a sort of arrogance that possesses certain people to value their life experience more than what they’ve heard about other people’s experience.
  • It creates a special group that knows, and the masses who live repetitive, mundane, and suffering lives. It gleefully calls them "not ready".
  • It insulates that “superior” group and suggests to them that they can fix what’s broken in the world by their actions and attitudes, or by their inactions and pure state of watching.

Let’s take a typical statement.  “The happenings on what appears to be outside just seem to reflect what happens inside.  It's all just what's happening.”

  • One group may completely internalize this statement from their similar no-point of view.  That's fine, I have nothing to say about it. I dare say there are very few that we are talking to.
  • One group will completely agree, not really internalizing it, but from a kind of a logic, (the moment is infinitely short in which nothing can happen in the true field of reality, etc. etc.).   This is a pretty big group that take on this new programming. It is just living life from another fixed idea, as has always been done. The effect on them is numbing. Life still has the same ups and downs and recycling of experience as before.
  • Of course millions simply don’t get it, and billions don’t give a damn.  Sorry to say this is also a huge comment on the ineffectiveness of the teaching.  It is only spiritual speak after all.  It is only for the initiated, the pre-programmed, and it defines the masses as “not ready”.

Would it be of value to find a communication that would perk up the ears with recognition for the billions, get the millions to engage in positive change with their life and in their circumstances, and transform the lives of those previously declaring what they don’t know to be true?

 

And for that amall group that know and internalize the no-point of view? Who gives a damn about those two dozen people.  Their lack of a center is their problem.  Or they claim that they have it all together anyhow.  (They're not teachable about anything.)  They don't need it.

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Richard:"…Would it be of

Richard:"…Would it be of value to find a communication that would perk up the ears with recognition for the billions, get the millions to engage in positive change with their life and in their circumstances, and transform the lives of those previously declaring what they don’t know to be true?
And for that amall group that know and internalize the no-point of view? Who gives a damn about those two dozen people. Their lack of center is their problem. "

Response: How could man find the communication (aliveness), which is thoughts in this case, to transform the lives of millions when man is unable to control the communication (aliveness) of the moment? And you have admitted that man cannot control the aliveness of the moment, or the moment.
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Hi Melanie,

I see your two (identical) posts.  Some people have hit the save button twice, and until the get the hang of it, it does save two posts.  In the original post I looked at people from similarities that I chose to “group” them with.

If you really posted twice on purpose, can I assume that it is your favorite enigma, (category two person) or a riddle that you are trying to solve?  Can I ask, what will happen when you solve it?

If on the other hand it is something that you “know” (category one) I would ask, how does it show up in daily life?  What does that knowledge give to the quality of every-day life?

Category three doesn’t come on this forum, so no need to speculate on that one.

Of course nobody will every know everything that they are not, (or even the minutest part of that).  Being the “essence” is some kind of statement about the stuff of the universe, what everything is constituted from, with no other possibilities allowed for.  It is a pretty extravagant statement in my view.  I don’t feel at all narrow minded if I chose to dismiss it.

Do you have any more clarity on this?

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Hi, I left you two replies to your OP

The first was my response to it, and the second was to say I'm waiting for your response to my response.

My response was here for a good while, maybe two weeks or so, but since I heard no response from you I decided to delete both as I wasn't sure if you were up for discussion or not.

It appears you do not have much time to interact with posters here at your forum, for what ever reason, so I withdrew my response.

Anyway, if you would like to ask me any more questions,then fire away I will be happy to answer them.

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Are you also the essence of the time that you waited?

Are you also the essence of your decision to take away your valuable contribution?

Are you also the essense of the doubt that 2nd guessed your original intention?

Are you also the essence of the feelings that motivate your actions?

Are you also the essense of the appearances that cross your awareness?

Are you also the essence of your ideas about me, and what I might be occupied with?

Thanks for your participation.

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Thanks lloydowen for your

Thanks lloydowen for your response.

The phrase '' I am the essence of everything I am not ''

Is saying that it is both 'am' and 'am not'

because if you look deeply enough into the ''I am not'' you see that to be 'am not' you first had to be 'am' otherwise the 'I am not' could not even show.

The 'real' cannot be shown, only the unreal shows.... do you see this ??

No one knows what the ''essence'' in ''I am the essence'' is. If they did, then that would be one cool trick to play. :)

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I am a fan of honing words to

I am a fan of honing words to mean more closely what you intend to say.  Maybe it is an inexact science, but others don’t even give it a try. So they seem rather inarticulate about vague claims of experience beyond their ability to communicate them.  I have often wondered why they make the claims if they haven’t got the tools to speak (to make that claim)?  I suppose it is easier, and many people follow unsubstantiated claims the world over. So they have their audience.

You say that it takes an “am” to identify an “am not”. Another way to look at it is that am-nots do not have to be identified. In fact everything unidentified is already an am-not. Unconscious or sub-conscious is an adjective that can be attached to the vast majority of the supposed universe.

You say that the real cannot be shown, only the unreal shows. Then where do you get off calling it the real?  Why would you occupy yourself with that so-called “real”.  Why consider it in any way?  Isn’t it just imagination and hearsay?  Certainly accepting this line will take you down a well worn path (I think to nowhere).  Maybe that is where you want to be? I guess that you will have company when you get there.  It is my belief that you will have no power to create at that point, and you will also adopt the excuse that things just happen by themselves.  Is it a divine plan that you would cite?  Yes, conditioning does automatically repeat itself.

Key to managing your own well being is the ability to manage your focus. You do that by choosing which life questions to occupy yourself with. Does every enigma have the power to capture your time and attention?  Then you are a drifter.

Essence is a term that has a specific meaning, the core stuff of any object or non-object. If that stuff is unknowable it is imaginative.  How else did in come into consciousness? It was never known, by your previous definition.  Every moment that you spend on its consideration is a chunk of life that has been discarded from handling that which is knowable.  Whether that knowable is considered by some as reality or illusion (interpretation) it matters little.  It is the raw clay of human movement. It is your belief.  It is your word. That is the playground where you can become effective and satisfied (or also dissatisfied).  Play the game like you mean it is my suggestion.

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You Said: ''.......You say that it takes an “am” to identify an “am not”. Another way to look at it is that am-nots do not have to be identified. In fact everything unidentified is already an am-not. Unconscious or sub-conscious is an adjective that can be attached to the vast majority of the supposed universe.....''

'am-not' is already the case,yes, but in order for the unidentified to become known there needs to be an 'am' which is none other than conceptual overlaid on that which is already.
For anything to exist at all, it would need a label, for example: water is called water, but it doesn't need to be called water because it already is water,but it doesn't know it is water, by labelling something which is already the case creates a duality. Language is duality, In reality no one has ever seen 'water' is is only known by it's name. When there is belief in a particular word - name, the name then becomes 'meaning and knowing'water is given form purely by naming it.

Then what happens is the word becomes a 'some thing' where there was once 'no thing' - to believe you are the 'some thing' over the 'no thing' is mis-identification, because what this really is .... is 'no thing' BEING 'some thing' a feedback loop is created out of this phenomena and that's how duality makes an appearance (some-thing) out of no thing (nothing)

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You Said: ''......You say that the real cannot be shown, only the unreal shows. Then where do you get off calling it the real? Why would you occupy yourself with that so-called “real”. Why consider it in any way? Isn’t it just imagination and hearsay? Certainly accepting this line will take you down a well worn path (I think to nowhere). Maybe that is where you want to be? I guess that you will have company when you get there. It is my belief that you will have no power to create at that point, and you will also adopt the excuse that things just happen by themselves. Is it a divine plan that you would cite? Yes, conditioning does automatically repeat itself......''

My Response:
The 'real' only exists in relation to the 'unreal' without the 'unreal' the 'real' would not exist and vice versa.That which ''shows'' we call unreal because we don't know what this showing is.But it is self-evident. So in effect there must be something real going on even though we don't know or see the real directly.And because it cannot be known or seen directly, the real is the unreal and this kind of talk is pure hearsay or imagination.

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You say: ''.... Certainly accepting this line will take you down a well worn path (I think to nowhere). Maybe that is where you want to be? I guess that you will have company when you get there.....''

My Response:
The well worn path to nowhere is where most of histories non-dual messengers of light dwell. Because there is wisdom in knowing that all knowledge is illusory. Some sages choose to continue with participation in the illusion, others choose to withdraw completely knowing it is all the play of mind, a choice can be made to play the game or not. It's personal choice, some even participate and withdraw at the same time, it's like they take part in the play but they do not get hung up about it because they know it's really illusion.

Incidentally, the most unique, and incredible creativeness comes from this reclusive mind-set. When the mind is clutter free, amazing new stuff can emerge.

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ALL THINGS THAT ARE SAID CREATE A CHANNEL

 You could call it a ditch because it doesn’t deserve much honor. All human thought settles into its own ditch and follows only that logical course.  Fixing on more ridged thoughts digs a deeper ditch, so you follow it more predictably. Adopting other peoples ditch is limiting because it is difficult to evolve what was given to you.  Whereas evolution is natural for your own authentic thought. Then your ditch can change course, and maybe even come up to the surface once in a while.

 

You say that am-not is already the case, meaning?  Probably that nothing is known in surety.  But isn't this a technicality?  Practically speaking enough is known about so many things such that society, our life and the world works, even if imperfectly.  Yes, sometimes my cell phone blocks, but I even know enough to restart it.

 

You seem to intimate that water doesn’t exist without the label w-a-t-e-r, but I wouldn’t hesitate to  say that every human being that ever lived knew water with or without the label, because they drank it.

 

Please see if you can leave “duality” out of it.  That is the real trumped up king of concepts. Without words you are a drifter.  Some drifters live, and some drifters die.

 

Now you mention that non-dual messengers-of-light live nowhere, because they know that all knowledge is illusory.  Now may I ask, has receiving that message of light made any substantive difference in you life? What has changed?

 

Guys that reject and disengage from every-day life may have many motives, and so do the people that adopt that message.  “It’s just the play of the mind” is a wonderful put down, but what else is there?  If you stop using your most precious and powerful tool you can regress to before the stone age. Woopie.

 

If everything was evident truth, you wouldn’t need a mind.  You would immediately see what’s what without any further processing.  Since the word truth is just a concept that can only be approached, the mind is vital equipment.  Please enjoy it.

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You say: '...Please see if you can leave “duality” out of it. That is the real trumped up king of concepts. Without words you are a drifter. Some drifters live, and some drifters die...''

My response: Language is duality. Words are just letters strung together going this way or that. Words are given false power. The only power here is that which stands unseen and ever here behind the images, the symbols, the tangible scene, the written and spoken words. That which is without words is definitely not a drifter.
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 If you can’t read, words are just letters (shapes) strung together.  If you can read they are the key that unlocks powerful emotion producing thoughts and beliefs.  Words are the only way to investigate what you are believing, to find out how deep of a ditch you are navigating in.

 

Without words and the values that they convey, even if you fell into some mega creation or huge goodness, you would walk right by it, not even recognizing it.

 

The unseen is not a power in the human sphere, because it does nothing.  Power is not one of its attributes.   The unseen sets the stage (of life) on which you can act, or decide not to.

 

How do you know the limits to thinking?  How do you know that earth and its life systems are not thought? (not by you and me).  Such a supposition that life is thought would be the same imagination as yours, that says that life is without thought.  What's the use of saying either, unless to support an argument of rightness?

 

Inner stillness can allow a clear insight.  But creation is more than insight.  Creation is manifestation.  If insight is not actualized it is nothing.  Manifestation of human creation is done with words. Creation is the marriage of stillness (untroubled) and being articulate.   Look around.  Haven’t you done something?  Did you fill out an application to go to school?  Did you use words to fill in the blanks? It’s as simple as that?

  • You don’t address question like what have you created with no words?
  • What have you received from non-dual messengers of light?
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You say: ''...Guys that reject and disengage from every-day life may have many motives, and so do the people that adopt that message. “It’s just the play of the mind” is a wonderful put down, but what else is there? If you stop using your most precious and powerful tool you can regress to before the stone age. Woopie...''

My response: The mind can take you to the moon or mars, or it can take you to the stone age. We do not use our mind it uses us.

"The mind is a superb instrument if used rightly. Used wrongly, however, it becomes very destructive. To put it more accurately, it is not so much that you use your mind wrongly—you usually don't use it at all. It uses you." ET

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Now we start to understand

My mind doesn't use me, I use it. I ask you to join the party.

Who cares what ET says to sum up generalities. I am not general nor of his average audience.

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You say: ''...
The unseen is not a power in the human sphere, because it does nothing. Power is not one of its attributes. The unseen sets the stage (of life) on which you can act, or decide not to...''

My response: The 'It' that you say does nothing is the same 'It' which did the big bang, and that which did the big bang does us too. Well I guess 'It' kind of does everything including this writing.

Also, There is something unseen that makes all letters and words possible. There is an Absolute, always here, always available. The Alphabet is like that and it does not matter what language you use there is this magical way we dip into this everlasting well spring of letters and pull out whatever letter we want. We can turn letters side ways, or miss-spell a word but the Alphabet is unharmed and unchanged by any of our mistakes.

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There is no big bang

All fantasy and mind fodder.

see if you can't see that?

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You say: ''...There is no big bang
All fantasy and mind fodder.

see if you can't see that?...''

My response: Bingo!

Now that's what I'm talking about.

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Non duality aka duality

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We remain committed to be on the forefront of what will support life, both in your family and on planet earth. 

 

My interaction with you is an Experiment to further enable this vision to be true, and up to the rhythm that you are a part of the action.  

 

Please contribute to make this vision real.  

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