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POSSIBILITIES, in the Radius of the Three Contexts of Appearance. Part Three

Here are the links of the introduction and discussion of the context of the Individual,   

http://nevernothere.com/forum/radius-three-contexts-appearance

and the second part of the context of the World.

http://nevernothere.com/forum/world-radius-three-contexts-appearance-part-two

 

We did arrive at some very clear propositions in these earlier threads.  If it has proven difficult for you to work through them, a SUMMARY is in order.  I’ll recapitulates our starting point and our three ground assumptions (axioms).

I could speak at length about gaining empowerment in the contexts of the individual (which includes mastery of the emotional equation) and the context of the world.  I realise that my ideas are a maximum challenge to the held beliefs of transformation.  It is very difficult entertain such a simplification that might make previous philosophies obsolete.  Hence the limited participation.  For instance, believing in transformation, requires the acceptance of “Levels of Being”, since in order to transform, you must move from “there to here”.  What if there are no levels?  If This is IT?

1.  I chose three contexts where all people spend most of their time.  What else is worthy of discussion?  Actually we are each always:

 • an individual, with the challenges of relationship and self-esteem.

 • in the world, with the challenges to meet legal, economic and perhaps ongoing physical conflicts or war.

 • and we always live in a context of possibility for growth and knowing.

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The WORLD, in the Radius of the Three Contexts of Appearance. Part Two

(Here is the link to the introduction and beginning of this topic discussion:) 

 http://nevernothere.com/forum/radius-three-contexts-appearance

http://www.nevernothere.com/forum/possibilities-radius-three-contexts-appearance-part-three

How does non-duality interact with the greater world?

In a word, it doesn’t interact.  

Many so called “spiritual teachers” say that of course we live in family, community and world.  They say this will be the integration of self realisation with normal life.  Only they don’t give it any emphasis at all.  It is a completely hollow statement.  Whereas people involved in this search are more honest and conveniently disassociate from world pain. They blatantly say the world is an illusion, or it is not my world.  I know of only one western teacher, who spends effort with girls schools in Afghanistan, or in that region. (I have edited this because I said only one.  But I am well aware of Indian Gurus with vast followings of over 100,000 that do great works for villager health and economic wellbeing, reforestation, and many other worldly programs.  I don't mention names because I would leave some important ones out.)

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The Radius of the Three Contexts of Appearance, Part One.

(This conversation continues at these links, but the introduciton is here.  

http://nevernothere.com/forum/world-radius-three-contexts-appearance-part-two  

http://www.nevernothere.com/forum/possibilities-radius-three-contexts-appearance-part-three

 

We get much sharing over the years on NNH,  and the phrase that stands out most often is some form of “there is no separation”.  I want to question what it is that might be practical in that realisation.

My question supposes that we all have some basic necessities to remain alive.  I guess that I am saying that we all have to live.  Those that profess no-separation might say that we don’t have to live, that we are lived.  I will go ahead with my proposition anyway, without getting tangled in too many abstractions.  Or I’ll leave those abstracts for later.

What are some basics of life, based on perception? 

  • Something exists.
  • Perception of what exists is an unknown mix of the existential and what we think about it.
  • Life is always moving, death is always still.
  • Life is a multiplicity.

What are the basics of life, based on assumptions?

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Identity as a Discourse

So many of our forum discussions are really about identity, and we have many theories and much to say about it, which we defend adamantly.

 

First let me address those who insist that there is no identity. I view that first as a discourse, and second as just another identity.  Just look around at how you live life. If you are a no-identity person and need some easy demonstrations, you function through many discourses of identity, and never function as a no identity. In fact no-identity is non-functional in the life that we know.

 

Because you continually use identities, they are your truth. Kind of like “what you see (do) is what you get (who you are)”.  At least you are not separable from an identity, so you might as well engage fully with it.

 

1. Perhaps it is more accurate to say that we are born into a discourse of identity.  We are born into a family, society, often a religion, maybe our nation is dominant in our lives, especially if it is repressive, or at war.  In our formative years we are rewarded if we imitate the prevailing discourses of identity.  Our family want’s us to behave in a certain way.  We must memorize (and practice) the tenants of our family religion. We get educated (or don’t) according to the habits and traditions in our area.  We are continually told that we are the identity that is transmitted by that discourse.

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There is a verbal underpinning to every human action.

You might say that you are breathing, and there is no verbal underpinning to that.  It is just happening.  I am not talking about that level of action.

 

Take engagement with non-duality as a good example, (teaching it, or being taught). The verbal underpinnings that are accepted by both parties are three.

  • There is a such a thing as personal awakening that can appear as an event.
  • I teacher, declare that I have it.
  • I teacher declare that you will some day have it too (or someday know that you have it).

"My life experience as a teacher and my point of view, (perhaps a view from no-point) is assuredly more complete than yours.  I know because I used to live like you."

Wow - is this a useful construction?  Let’s see what its effect is.

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Strategic wisdom

The way most people function includes landing on some strategy. A simple example: when you're overworked you want to spend some time relaxing and slowing down. And when you get bored you look for something to do again. Let's look at it as a strategic dance, in which you adapt your identity to the situation. When you're dancing so fast that you get too many images and too much intensity, you slow down a little; when you stagnate you yearn for more movement.

Maybe looking for wisdom is also a strategic dance? Then your identity could use a wisdom that suits your needs for the moment. That's the strategic wisdom that I want to focus on for now.

Let's look at how you can influence your rhythm with strategic wisdom. When you're going very fast and you're feeling intense, you try to slow down. From strategic wisdom you could look for a pointer to a resting place, like acceptance or awareness. Then repeating that pointer to yourself is strategic wisdom that's about regaining your safety island. Oppositely, when you stagnate you try to speed up. Maybe you look for wisdom that makes you yearn, like a new meditation or inquiry technique that can bring you some new experiences. Then doing the technique over and over again is also strategic wisdom. Outwardly these two movements may seem like reasonable efforts. But there is also the possibility of a hidden payback.

Strategic wisdom always contains an element that jogs you off of balance. The hidden motives cause a split in your conscious intentions. There's also some repetitiveness in the effort to find balance with a strategy. How about approaching these off-balancing and repetitive elements with a playfulness? Click read more

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Morphing

Morphing

We meet the world with our constant expression. It often happens so fast that it seems “built in” or automatic. In searching to discover more about this process let’s define those continuous movements as Morphs, which are the ever-changing images that we use to interface with the world. We're always identity morphing, not just with the different roles we play, but also with our moods. This we do within our present range of expression or our repertoire.

There's just natural functioning in most of us that gravitates towards coherent identities. Even people that say they have no identity do have an obvious one, as far as everyone else sees them. The identity is the story that we have about ourselves and it's morphing continually.

Morphing depends on the verbal context that we live in. If we have an experience that's completely new and unexpected we adapt to it with an identity morph. But if we don't have a plausible story to explain the experience, we can't morph in a coherent way. That's why a crisis can jam our morphing.

In the face of crisis we traditionally turn to some teachings for outside principles. This can give us context, but it's a repetitive one. We've all seen people that seem to keep repeating the same quotes for the rest of their life. We could see that as morphing stuck in a loop. It seems safe, but it’s hard to get much satisfaction out of it.

Speed

Morphing can happen at different speeds and it's interesting to play with speeding up and slowing down in a conversation. Jamming our normal morphing rhythm could invite new discoveries. But first we have to establish some level of comfort with not knowing, or thinking we look silly. Here we're not suggesting any ideal morphing rate exists, but maybe we can develop an agility?

Personal Responsibility

If there is essentially no self (the self in this context being this accumulation of past experiences added with the preconditioned body complex), which basically means that nobody is ever responsible for anything, then how do we understand taking personal responsibility for ones own life and ones own actions?

Personal responsibility, would be perceived by most of us as a virtuous human characteristic, one we would gleefully teach to our children. On the other hand we also would encourage our children to realize their true nature, a nature which is beyond identifications.

How do we make sense, so to speak, of this seemingly apparent paradox?

Heartfelt: a Description of a Navajo Peacemaking Process

Recently I watched an interview on conscious-tv with a man called Eric Gross. In enjoyed the interview. And what I especially liked was his description of a peacemaking process by a native American tribe, the Navajo. This description is a separate segment at the end of the interview. When you click this link it starts at that point: http://youtu.be/nOgXs7PfuuA?t=52m7s

What touched me was the reply of the mother when being asked ¨do you love your son?¨ Her reply was: ¨I don´t know¨ There is a deep groundedness to this, free from spiritual idealism about how things should be. And being free from this idealism the heart tends to open. Perhaps there can even be situations in life where someone is being asked the same question and the answer will even be: ¨no, at this moment I don´t love this person.¨ Maybe it´s not a great place to be in, but it´s honest and when dealt with in a gentle way it can be felt in the heart. And even deeper at the roots.

But as you can hear in the video the ¨I don´t know¨ is not being indulged in, although it´s welcome in it´s totality. Rather this contraction is embedded within the sense that there always is a natural connection between people.